Comments on: Queers For Islamofascim http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/queers-for-islamofascim/ Speaking only for me Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:52:45 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: charlievazquez http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/queers-for-islamofascim/#comment-43 charlievazquez Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:52:45 +0000 http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/?p=48#comment-43 Well done Tobygrace. People should do their homework before making outrageous statements as such. I'm sure that Queers for Palestine had good intentions, but as you pointed out, queerness and Islam are not the friendliest of bedfellows. What queers in the Middle East and other Islamic countries endure is the worst in the world. I covered this on my blog entry titled "Homophobia and Planet Earth". Well done Tobygrace. People should do their homework before making outrageous statements as such. I’m sure that Queers for Palestine had good intentions, but as you pointed out, queerness and Islam are not the friendliest of bedfellows. What queers in the Middle East and other Islamic countries endure is the worst in the world. I covered this on my blog entry titled “Homophobia and Planet Earth”.

]]> By: Aristide Laurent http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/queers-for-islamofascim/#comment-42 Aristide Laurent Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:22:03 +0000 http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/?p=48#comment-42 When Palistinians and Muslims of every country begin allowing gay pride parades, or even allow gay people to congregate openly, in their Sharia-dominated countries, or stop demanding that women are a man's property and not allowed in public without being completely covered, I will begin to consider them worthy of support & tears. 'Til then, for a gay person to wring his/her hands over a goup of people who continue to stone us to death is, to me, the height of masochism akin to gay KKKs or Jewish Nazis. So you and other "Queers For Islamofascism" are welcome to sit around wringing your hands in masochistic pity and waiting to receive "support" from an enormous group of severe religious fundamentalists, I don't have that much time left above group. AJinLA When Palistinians and Muslims of every country begin allowing gay pride parades, or even allow gay people to congregate openly, in their Sharia-dominated countries, or stop demanding that women are a man’s property and not allowed in public without being completely covered, I will begin to consider them worthy of support & tears. ‘Til then, for a gay person to wring his/her hands over a goup of people who continue to stone us to death is, to me, the height of masochism akin to gay KKKs or Jewish Nazis. So you and other “Queers For Islamofascism” are welcome to sit around wringing your hands in masochistic pity and waiting to receive “support” from an enormous group of severe religious fundamentalists, I don’t have that much time left above group. AJinLA

]]> By: paul canning http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/queers-for-islamofascim/#comment-41 paul canning Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:54:58 +0000 http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/?p=48#comment-41 FYI, re James Kirchick http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/kirchick/48212 FYI, re James Kirchick
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/kirchick/48212

]]> By: paul canning http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/queers-for-islamofascim/#comment-40 paul canning Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:45:36 +0000 http://tobygrace.wordpress.com/?p=48#comment-40 Toby this is what I posted on the gayswithoutborders list about this article > Israel is an oasis of liberal tolerance in a reactionary religious backwater, and if gay people want to stand with the "oppressed" of the region, it is the Palestinians seeking a peaceful, two-state solution, not the murderers of Hamas or their backers in Tehran, who merit support. This is a racially biased view of Israel. If you are not Jewish - gay or straight - you are second-class. If you are a Palestinian in the occupied territories - gay or straight - you are subject to all sorts of arbitrary actions, not 'tolerance'. The point about the reality of Islamists is correct (and the PA) vis gays but you forget that another lesson of history is that openly gay support for oppressed peoples leads to an increase in their support for gays - look at the South African constitution, look at the explicitly gay support for UK miners in the early 80s. I would add to you that it is not about supporting people like Hamas (or the SA communists, or right-wing UK Labourites) but being openly gay and (in) supporting others. Not all gays can flee to israel. What can be done to help those who cannot except support the fellow humans in palestine and be openly gay whilst doing so? Toby

this is what I posted on the gayswithoutborders list about this article

> Israel is an oasis of liberal tolerance in a reactionary religious
backwater, and if gay people want to stand with the “oppressed” of the
region, it is the Palestinians seeking a peaceful, two-state solution,
not the murderers of Hamas or their backers in Tehran, who merit support.

This is a racially biased view of Israel. If you are not Jewish – gay
or straight – you are second-class. If you are a Palestinian in the
occupied territories – gay or straight – you are subject to all sorts
of arbitrary actions, not ‘tolerance’.

The point about the reality of Islamists is correct (and the PA) vis
gays but you forget that another lesson of history is that openly gay
support for oppressed peoples leads to an increase in their support
for gays – look at the South African constitution, look at the
explicitly gay support for UK miners in the early 80s.

I would add to you that it is not about supporting people like Hamas (or the SA communists, or right-wing UK Labourites) but being openly gay and (in) supporting others. Not all gays can flee to israel. What can be done to help those who cannot except support the fellow humans in palestine and be openly gay whilst doing so?

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